DZMM 630 Usapang Agrikultura sa Kabukiran Radio Guesting


Catch PDS Chief Executive Director Mel Santos on Sunday, July 23, 2017 LIVE! at DZMM 630.

Once a dreamer of vast lands populated by different Cacao varieties planted by Filipinos who share the similar dream. Now his dream unfolds to find that one variety that has a historical affinity to the country.

He is one of the founders of Plantacion de Sikwate Cacao Producers Association, Inc. and Vice Chairman of the sub-committee of the Philippine Council for Agriculture and Fisheries (PCAF) for Cacao.

He will be interviewed live via phone patch by Mr. Louie Tabing on how are the ways to plant cacao.

Usapang Agrikultura sa Kabukiran is a Radio Show powered by one the leading networks in the country, ABS-CBN.

<Here is the English version of the interview.>

“Let’s talk Agriculture at the Farm”
<Usapang Agrikultura sa Kabukiran DZMM 630 >
13-minute live interview via phone patch by radio station segment host Mr. Louie Tabing


Mr. Louie Tabing (LT): We have here on the show, via phone patch is Mr. Mel Santos from Cebu; Good morning to you, Mr. Santos.

Mr. Mel Santos (MS): The morning is good Sir Louie, to the group behind the show and to those who are listening right now.

LT: Planting Cacao – the one we make into chocolates. I would like to know, how vast is your plantation (in terms of hectares)?

MS: It is not that vast, if you ask me, but we have already planted 3,300 trees.

LT: Huh! Really, you have about 3,300 trees? How large would that be in terms of hectares?

MS: That is 3 hectares, Sir Louie.

LT: So that would be about 1,000 trees that can grow in 1 hectare (of land).  I would like to ask what is the normal (average) distance when you plant the trees?

MS: The normal (average) is 3 x 3 or 3 meters x 3 meters. However, if your land is on a slope or hilly area, you may plant by 2.5 meters by 3 meters.

LT: Alright so you can plant more of trees in one hectare (if it’s on a slope or hill).

MS: Yes.

LT: Actually, if it is on a 3 x 3 distance (from one tree to another) you can plant around 900 plants in a hectare.

MS: To be exact, that would be 1,111 but we recommend planting 1,000 trees to give a provision for walking space.

LT: Oh I see. What is your expected yield in terms of harvested cacao pods? Since as an entrepreneur, the first thing I would be asking is how much will I be earning in this investment.

MS: Yes. When you venture into cacao planting, you first need to ask yourself if you love and respect planting crops. (Mother Nature) when we come to terms with that love for Nature and have followed all the right things to plant cacao, you can harvest 3,000KG cacao pods.

LT: How much would 3,000KG yield in terms of money? Let’s bring it smaller. For 1KG of harvested pods, how much can I sell it? But wait, we are talking about beans, right or the pods?

MS: These are the beans. Or what we call Fermented Dried Cacao Beans (FDCB).

LT: Oh ok, how much would 1KG cost?

MS: Currently, the FDCBs cost P100 per KG in the market. However, we are promoting a cacao variety that grows faster and has big beans in terms of size. We are mixing two cacao varieties having the more important one called Criollo or Native cacao. So if you get to plant these, you are going to yield 3 – 4 KG per tree in a year.

LT: If I am not mistaken, that would roughly cost around P300,000 in one hectare?

MS: Not just that. The gross amount would still have to be multiplied to a thousand trees.  That would yield 3,000KG. What we are planting right now is called the Filipino Aromatico.

LT: Hold on. 3,000KG multiplied by P100 leads you to P300,000.

MS: Yes but if you plant the Filipino Aromatico or Fine Aromatic, a combination of two cacao varieties you can sell it up to as much as P300 per 1KG.

LT: P300 per 1KG?

MS: Yes sir.

LT: That would be multiplied by 3, you will get P900,000.

MS: Yes. Those cacao beans are for the Niche market. <The artisan chocolate makers would be the buyers.>

LT: Earlier, you mentioned that these cacao beans are fermented. Please explain to us how fermentation of these cacao beans goes about.

MS: Alright. Our ancestors followed the traditional way of “fermenting” cacao. They allow the beans to be sucked before letting them dry under the sun.

LT: Hold on. What or who sucks the beans?

MS: Little children.

LT: <laughs> Oh yes! I remember that. When I was younger, our grandparents asked us to eat the white covering of the cacao beans. They also warned us not to throw the beans away after eating them.

MS: Yes. But the modern way that we are following does not require little kids to eat the white pulp. That sweet skin actually allows the cacao beans to undergo a better process of fermentation. For the people who understand the “bean to bar” process, the white bean cover is important. Without that skin, the chocolate end product would not taste good.

LT: This means that after opening the cacao pod, you extract the beans then suck the white pulp?

MS: No more. You open the pod, take the beans out, ferment it straight for 5 days then let it sun dry for another 5 days.

LT: The process then would enable you to achieve the sour taste of the beans. Listeners, you need to remember that you do not have to eat the white pulp before fermenting it. But do you need to clean the beans? Do you need to wash it under tap water?

MS: No need.

LT: Isn’t it that the process of fermenting these cacao beans would require you to store them in containers and keep them away from sunlight?

MS: No. The modern way in fermenting cacao beans is by placing them in wooden crates or boxes. We store them there and every 24 hours we need to mix the beans with our hands. This will create an evenly fermented batch of beans.

LT: Alright, so you need to mix the beans every 24 hours without having to add anything else? Like water?

MS: No need to add water. Just let them be sun-dried after 5 days of fermenting the beans. However, keep in mind that these beans are not to be dried directly under the sun. You need to cover the wooden crate with UV plastic on top.

LT: That is so tedious! Can’t you use a mechanical dryer?

MS: Yes you may. There are other people who use that kind.

LT: That, our avid listeners, is the process of fermenting cacao beans before you go through the process of roasting and grinding them.

MS: That is the process on how to produce the best-tasting chocolates! Sir Louie, I would just like to reiterate the importance of the Filipino Aromatico. Now after our farmers plant the trees and then harvest the pods, they get in touch with buyers or traders who will buy their beans in volumes. Our association aims for is farmers to not be short changed with the fruits they harvest. We would like them to know the way to create their own chocolate bars without exporting the raw products. That way, our farmers will not have to get paid lower prices since they sell it in bulk. To help cacao farmers further, our association launched the Search for the Heirloom Cacao or Criollo.

LT: What color is that? Isn’t it that they come in different shades like red, green and yellow?

MS: Oh those are the exterior hull of the cacao. After opening the fruit, you take the beans out and do a cut-test. You either bite it in half or use a shear to open it. Inside the color will vary. Some beans are color purple, dark purple, light pink or lilac. The hybrids are color violet or purple. The heirloom cacao is color white.

Believe it or not, did you know that these white beans can be located here in the Philippines? The beans originated from Mexico and they were brought to our country through the Manila-Acapulco Galleon Trade in the 1700s. Our ancestors have planted them here in the country.  We have successfully grafted these heirloom cacaos. The big bulk can be found in a cacao nursery in San Guillermo in Lipa, Batangas.

LT: Amazing! Mel, apologies for cutting this interview short since we are running out of time. But there are more things to learn about Cacao Planting! We will invite you once again for another chance to discuss more on Cacao Planting. We will also see you next week in our Agri seminar, yes? Before we end this interview, aside from Batangas, where are the other farms located at?

MS: Our association has grafted seedling farms or cacao plantations all over the country. Like Bicol, Batangas, Bohol, Cebu, and Mindanao to name a few.

LT: That is great! For more time to talk about the ways to plant these cacao seedlings, then how to care for the trees, we will reconvene on Sunday. See you then, Mel! Ladies and Gentlemen, that was Mr. Mel Santos from Cebu.











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  1. Condolence from Bangladesh Community Media Sector :

    Mr. Louie Tabing: The Republic of the Philippines One of the legends of mainstream and community radio Asia and Pacific has signed off

    There is only little we can say when an important person in our lives suddenly passes away. No words can make you feel better. Louie Tabing was the legends of mainstream and community radio Asia and Pacific.
    In the last 20 years with Bangladesh Community Media Movement and Bangladesh NGOs Network for Radio and Communication(BNNRC), Mr. Louie Tabing from Republic of the Philippines dexterously contributed towards promoting community radio movement in Bangladesh as the mentor.

    Late Mr. Louie Tabing was an important member of the Community Radio World Family in line with Asia and Pacific who will be missed terribly. There is not much you can say to the people whose lives he touched to make them feel better in line with voices for the voiceless of rural people.

    We, Bangladesh Community Media Sector extend our deepest sympathies to his dear ones. Bangladesh Community Media Sector and personally me will always cherish the wonderful memories made with Mr. Louie Tabing .

    Mr. Louie Tabing will always be remembered.

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